850 - Making it Legit

6th Sep 2013, 12:00 PM in Not So Fresh
Making it Legit
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Tim 6th Sep 2013, 12:00 PM edit delete
It seems to me that the people in charge have stopped even pretending that they have a selfless reason for going into Syria; everyone knows that it's about the oil - not Syria's own, mind, they don't quite have enough to make it worth it, but more for Iran's (Syria is Iran's last ally who America think they can get away with bombing), as Iran is one of the few, if not the only (my own knowledge here is limited) country to sell it's oil in anything other than US dollars. Now that the US dollar is off the gold standard, the fact that the dollar buys oil is pretty much the only thing that keeps it valuable, and if that was threatened, America's house of cards could come tumbling down.

And in all this, America just looks like a brute. They know that whatever evidence they have on Assad is flimsy as hell, else we'd have seen it by now (even the evidence on Iraq was presented prior to invasion, and we all know now that that was a load of bullshit), and we know that, as much as we'd like to have a democratic Syria, several of the rebel factions are just as bad - if not worse - than the existing regime, and any legitimate peace process here is liable to span decades - just look at the Troubles in Northern Ireland. So in the face of their flimsy evidence, and the realities of making a real stable government there, they basically just look like they're going "screw you guys, I do what I want."

Not that I'm particularly blaming Obama specifically for all this - it's a shitty position to be in politically. If he leaves Syria alone, he loses credibility, if he hits it too little he's weak, if he hits it too hard he's a bully. His back's against a wall, and it's either order the shot or be dead politically. Although I can't feel that much sympathy for Obama, what with journalists and whisteblowers being treated like terrorists, huge numbers of drone strikes that kill large numbers of civilians, and even his greatest victory - the operation that killed Osama Bin Laden - was, technically speaking, extremely illegal and a butt-tonne questionable.


LeylaMarias 7th Sep 2013, 4:15 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, our government needs to be slapped back into reality. We can barely stabilize ourselves, and Obama (who has said he will stand with the Muslims) keeps giving the "rebels" weapons so that they can kill innocents.
Let's hear it for the American Government, running itself into the ground and taking as many as it can with it... And don't get e started on Obamacare....
(granted, I am not very educated on politics, but that's what it seems like to me.)
Tim 9th Sep 2013, 6:36 PM edit delete reply
The problem with arming the rebel factions is that they're as divided between each other as they are against Assad. If they could find a way to unify and present a viable alternative - for example as in Libya - then arming them would make sense, but they simply haven't.

I have to admit, I am sort of curious as to your views on Obamacare. Here in Britain, it's sort of stunning that the US doesn't really have a health care "system" - it has a health care "industry", and Obamacare just sounds like a piss-poor compromise on what you should be getting for the amount of taxes you pay.
ThatGuy 7th Sep 2013, 7:25 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, really, who is going to stop us? We're the last remaining military Superpower.

I don't think anyone in this nation would think any less of Obama if he left it alone. We're pulling out of Afghan by 2014, and we don't want a new conflict.

If we had coordinated with Pakistan to get Bin Laden, their gov't would have alerted him first, whether intentionally or unintentionally. "If you want to do something right, you have to do it yourself." Not coordinate with a 3rd world country and it's shitty military.
Tim 8th Sep 2013, 11:00 AM edit delete reply
My issue with the Bin Laden assassination is more that he wasn't really brought to justice. Yes, ok, put him to death if your laws allow, but do it properly, via trial. If you're going to boast about human rights and democratic principals, then you should be abiding by those principals even for the lowest of murderous scum. It's like I wish the Libyan rebels hadn't killed Gaddafi for the same reason.
ThatGuy 8th Sep 2013, 8:17 PM edit delete reply
Well, look at it from a soldier's perspective. Is he really going to give the enemy a chance to kill him? No, he's going to shoot the enemy the first chance he gets. Soldiers fight for their people, their brother in arms, and themselves (I gave the oath to my people, country, and Army, but in certain situations, I'm protecting myself). If you're not one of those things, it's shoot first, ask later.

Yes, I would love to see Bin Laden on trial like Suddam, but sometimes, it just doesn't work out that way. At this point, I'm glad he's dead instead of on the loose still.